Thanks so much. Appreciate you all having me. Really happy to be here. Hopefully you all can see my screen. Yes. Fantastic. Okay, great. Well, thanks for having me. I appreciate you all joining me tonight and taking some time to learn a little bit about the match. So I've got some slides here for you. We'll talk a little bit about kind of the basics and mechanics of the match and kind of what you've got coming and certainly leave some time for lots of questions. So I know this looks like a lot, but I promise it's not gonna be terribly overwhelming. And the biggest thing to remember is that, well, one, we've been doing this for 72 years. This was our, last week was the main residency match. It was our 72nd match. Not me personally, but we've been doing this for a long time. And I know that this is your first one, but you're in extremely capable hands. We have a really talented staff who's been, my operations manager, this was his 31st match. So he's been around for lots of them. And so we're really happy and excited to welcome Interventional Cardiology. And we're gonna help you through the whole thing. So I know it's a big change for you, but we're gonna help you through the whole thing. So we're gonna talk a little bit about kind of the match overall, what things look like, but really kind of what's coming your way and what you can do to work your way through this process and make it hopefully a really easy process for all of you. So just a little bit about our matches. Of course, we just finished the main residency match. Most of you are familiar with that. Match day was on Friday, super big celebration, the largest match in the history of the NRMP with over 44,000 active applicants and 41,000 positions. So really pleased and excited. We filled 99.4% of the positions in the main residency match when you include the SOAP process, which is the supplemental process after the algorithm is run. But of course, what you all will be joining us in is the specialties matching service. We run 22 different fellowship matches throughout the year. And so interventional cardiology will be participating in the medicine and pediatric specialties match, which is a fall match. And so you can see some of the numbers in terms of what the specialties matching service overall, those 22 fellowship matches look like. We had over 6,000 programs in 77 different subspecialties for the 2024 appointment year and we filled 83.7% of the positions and 84.5% of the applicants obtained positions in our matches in the fellowship process. So we're really proud of our record of success. And we hope that you all feel like you're in very capable hands because, well, I think you are. So we're gonna make sure that you are. You all may probably or hopefully familiar with some of this information, but part of what the society signed up for in terms of joining the match is there is a certain level of participation that you all have agreed to as a part of participating in the match. And so I just wanted to briefly mention that because part of what makes a match successful is participation by as many programs with as many positions as possible because where the positions are is where the applicants go. And so the society has agreed to put in at least 75% of the programs nationally with available positions will be registered for the match. So that means when we look at the available positions, if you have a particular position that you don't have funding for in a given year, that doesn't count against your program. So if a program is not participating in a given year, that doesn't count against kind of your numbers. And that these programs will actively participate and submit a rank order list and that at least 75% of the positions nationally within the subspecialty will be in the match. So that's our national numbers. So really what we're looking at is the more programs and positions that participate, the more healthy your match is gonna be. And so we just really encourage all of the programs and positions or as many as possible to participate in the match to make sure that your match stays healthy. This is what the medicine and pediatric specialties match looks like in terms of dates. Hopefully you all are pretty familiar with these by now. I know that they are on the website for SC&I, but the match registration will actually open in August. So one of the things to remember and to note is of course that the match and the application process are different and separate. So when you're talking to NRMP and about NRMP, what we're talking about is the actual matching process. So that match registration process actually opens August 21st. And then you can see the ranking when you'll actually begin entering your rank order list of applicants actually doesn't open until September 25th. So you do have some time there to get applications and review applications and interview your fellows between when kind of the applications open with ERIS and when ranking opens. There is a quota change and withdrawal deadline. When we talk about the quota with the NRMP, what we're talking about is the number of positions you intend to fill in the match. So you may have your number of incoming fellows, but then your quota within the NRMP is actually the number of positions you intend to fill in the match. So hopefully they're the same thing, but if you do keep some positions out of the match, which is allowed, but you want to try and make sure that your quota is reflected in the NRMP and is correct. So that's one of the things that we want to make sure that everybody kind of pays attention to is how many positions do you intend to fill in the match and making sure that that information is correct. So that information does have to be correct by November 6th. And so you've got some time there in terms of looking at, you know, what your funding looks like, what your application pool looks like and make decisions around that. So November 6th is when that quota change and withdrawal deadline happens. And all of these functions will happen within our R3 or registration ranking and results system. It's called R3 because those are the three things you do. You will register for the match, you will rank applicants in the match and that's where you'll get your results. So the biggest deadline that you're going to want to keep your eye on is of course, November 20th. And that is the rank order list certification deadline. And that is when you have to have your preferences of your applicants entered into our system and certified for use in the match. That's also the same date for the applicants. So the deadline for both programs and applicants is the same for that rank order list certification. So that will be November 20th, 2024 at 9 p.m. Eastern time. So if you mark nothing else on your calendar, that's the one I want you to mark. But of course the other important one is match day. So we do need a little bit of time there to run the algorithm and produce lots of reports for both applicants and programs. And the actual match day will be on December 4th at noon Eastern time. So that's also when we make the unfilled and unmatched lists available. So unlike the main residency match, which has a supplemental offer and acceptance program afterwards during match week, the fellowship matches actually just have, we release a list of unmatched applicants to the programs that didn't fill and a list of unfilled programs to the applicants who didn't match. And so once that's done on match day at noon, we release both the results and those lists. The programs that didn't fill and the applicants that didn't match can reach out to each other to try and fill any remaining positions. So that all happens on match day, which will be December 4th, 2024, again at noon Eastern time. And then of course training will begin approximately July 1st, 2025. So this is what that calendar looks like. And generally once we start a match and since you all are part of a larger multi-specialty match that actually includes around 32 different subspecialties, that this will generally be the same date pattern that you will have every year. So that you'll start to get into kind of this recruitment cycle that is of course new for you this first year, but we'll start to become kind of a regular standard recruitment cycle. So we're not gonna move match timelines around on you. We stick with kind of that same date pattern for the different matches. So what kind of happens? This is what the calendar looks like. So how do we get there, right? So the first thing and kind of your program to-do list from here is to, the first kind of step is gonna be providing your program information to SC&I. So one of the things that the sponsoring organization is responsible for doing is collecting information about your program. So obviously the program name, the institution, the program director, address, phone number, X number, all of those good fun things, your URL for your website, but most importantly your quota, your program director and your program coordinator. So those are the big pieces of information that SC&I will be collecting. So in the first match for a new specialty, that information is collected by the sponsoring organization. So you will see on our website, a new program form. That is not something you will need to fill out. You will need to fill out whatever SC&I asks you to fill out because we will get all of that information from SC&I loaded into our system for the first time. And then in future years, we'll take over that role and new programs will fill out a new program form and make any changes directly with the NRMP. But in the first year of a new specialty match, that information is collected by the sponsoring organization. So you're gonna keep an eye out from your sponsoring organization to be collecting that information. So you're gonna go through them to provide that to us. We will load it into our system and your program will be registered for the match. So that is gonna be the first thing on your program to-do list. The next thing that we would encourage you to do is let your DIO or your GME office know that you're gonna be participating in the match. So they may or may not know that interventional cardiology is joining the match. And so you're gonna wanna let them know that. The other piece is that you want to let future applicants know. So update your program website and let your applicants know that you're going to be participating in the medicine and pediatric specialties match and when that match is gonna be opening, which will be again, August 21st, 2024. And then there are also fantastic match resources on the NRMP website. I don't have a ton of time today because we could get into lots of things about how this process is gonna work and screenshots of the R3 system. And we'll do some of that in May at the scientific meeting. But I did wanna give you kind of a preview and there's some match resources. So there's QR code on the screen that's gonna take you to the webpage on our website about managing your program in the match. So if you wanna give a little preview and learn about some of the options and things for setting up your program, you can do that. So this is kind of the first piece of your to-do list in terms of getting ready to join the match. So in terms of setting up your program and kind of learning about that, and I'll just very briefly talk about this. There is some kind of flexibility around how you set up your programs in the match. And we can get into more detail with you individually, certainly, depending on the circumstances for your program. But you can set up multiple tracks in the match. So for instance, if you have a clinical track and a research track, or if you have clinical positions and research positions, you can set up multiple tracks for that, where you would have different rank order lists based on the applicants who are interested in that type of training. So if that's something that your program is interested in doing, you can create multiple tracks in the interim P. If you have multiple tracks, you can also create what are called reversions where you revert positions from one track to another to make sure that those positions get filled. So it's just a donating process when the algorithm is actually running to make sure that you fill all your positions. So if you have a research, you know, if you have one research position and maybe or maybe not have very many applicants who are interested in it, but you definitely need the body in your fellowship, you could revert that position while the algorithm is running so that in case that research track doesn't fill, it tries to then fill that position in the clinical track from that clinical rank order list. So again, we won't go into huge detail today because we don't have very much time, but if these flexible options are something that you're interested in, myself or my staff are happy to talk you through kind of what your options are for your program. So we wanna make sure that just did you know that there are some flexible options in terms of setting up your program. So you'll provide that initial basic information. Everybody will just have one track to start when you provide your information to SC&I, but from there, we can then break out separate tracks if that's something your program is interested in. So just wanted to make sure that you know that there's some built-in flexibility around the match. The other kind of piece I wanted to emphasize a little bit is that, of course, Interim P is separate from the application and interview process. So we do not oversee the application or the interview process. The specialty, I believe, is still using ERIS. And of course, that timeline is changing for you all. You used to be on the December ERIS cycle. You'll now be on the July ERIS cycle. So that will be kind of a whole separate thing. So any questions about the application service would need to be answered by ERIS. The Interim P is actually a separate organization and an entirely separate system. So we don't oversee that process. As well as the same thing for interviews. The dates for the interviews are set by individual programs or set by the specialty as a whole. So that's not something the Interim P also manages. So that's just something to kind of keep in mind as you consider moving forward in this process, kind of where you're gonna go with your questions and what it looks like overall. The Interim P is just the matching process and the algorithm to make the best match possible. So speaking of which, the matching algorithm, hopefully a lot of you are familiar with it and I won't go into a ton of detail. There's actually a fantastic video on our website that walks you through a sample match. But just in very brief, the Interim P uses a computerized mathematical algorithm to place applicants into their most preferred fellowship position at programs that also prefer them, right? So the goal is that it makes the best match possible. So there are a couple of things that have to happen for a match to be made. One, both the applicant and the program have to have ranked each other. So you can never match to an applicant that you didn't rank for your program. So that's an important component to it. Same thing on the applicant side. They can never match to a program that they didn't rank, right? And then there is no match if the program and the applicant ranked each other, but the program is already filled with other applicants that are more preferred. So the algorithm basically starts with an applicant's rank order list and says, okay, applicant number one, you ranked program A first. Did program A rank you? Okay, yes. That's a tentative match. And then it goes on to the next applicant. It keeps doing that, trying to make matches until it makes the best match possible. If applicant number one gets tentatively matched to your program, but then you ranked applicant number seven higher, then applicant number one may be bumped from your program, right, because it takes the preferences of both applicant and program into account. So it keeps doing that until it makes the best match possible for both all the programs and all the applicants. Matches are final when all of that matches are final when all of that moving around happens, and it cycles through all those lists. And then those tentative matches are confirmed. Again, I would really encourage you to take a look at that video. I would show it tonight, but it's about six minutes long and that would kill about half my time. So I didn't do that. But again, it's on our website that you can take a look at it. And then there is couples matching, of course. You all are in a pretty large fellowship match. It is the fellowship match in which we have the most couples. So couples match when the algorithm place both partners on their highest rank pair of programs on the rank order list. So it's not actually a separate matching process. It all happens at the same time that the algorithm is running, but it just pairs a couple's rank order lists together. So that's kind of the very brief picture of the algorithm. I'm just shifting very quickly to what it looks like in terms of fees. There are of course fees for participation in the match. You all are part of a larger multi-specialty match. Again, there are about 32 specialties that are participating between medicine and pediatrics in your match. And so there's an institution registration fee, but that is per match. So if your institution already has a cardiology program or a pediatric cardiology program or a nephrology program that already participates in the match, they're already paying that fee. So they're not gonna pay it again for interventional cardiology to participate. So that is a one time per match fee. So the only additional fees if your institution already participates in the match is the program registration fee, which is $60 per track. And then $60 per applicant that we match to your program. So because we base it on whether or not we matched an applicant to your program, those fees are assessed at the conclusion of the match. And that bill goes to your institutional official, your DIO. Now, whether or not they pass those fees along to the individual departments is up to that institutional official. But the DIO is responsible for not only paying the bills, but also overseeing your program's participation in the match. So they are responsible for things like activating your program in the match and approving any changes in quota, as well as reversions, withdrawals. And I think that's generally it. And then of course they get the bill at the end. So the DIO does play a role in terms of your program's participation in the match and doing some approvals around those pieces. So if you have an institution that doesn't currently participate in the medicine and pediatric specialties match with one program track that matches one applicant, the total fee from the interim fee is $370. And there is no cost to the sponsoring organization. So that is the fees. I did very quickly want to talk a little bit about policy because that is in many ways what underpins the success of the match. Because, of course, the match is a binding commitment. So the match creates a binding commitment between the program and the applicant. So the ranking of an applicant by a program and the ranking of a program by an applicant establishes that binding commitment to offer or accept a position if a match results. So all match participants, when the match opens for registration in August, sign a match participation agreement. And really what it is, it's just to ensure a fair and equitable matching process. It establishes the rules that all participants follow. And, I mean, it's just really your rules of the road. So the biggest piece of that is that binding commitment. So, you know, the days of an applicant kind of backing out of the offer that you gave them are hopefully over for you. So that is a really important piece that we take extremely seriously. We also take things like restrictions on persuasion and providing information that is accurate and timely pretty seriously. So all of the rules in the match participation agreement apply across the board to both applicants and programs. So on the complete, timely and accurate information piece, program directors have to provide in writing prior to the rank order list certification deadline, complete, timely and accurate information, including a copy of the contract that the applicants are expected to sign. And all institutional policies regarding eligibility for appointment to a position. So that's also something that you might want to think about in terms of kind of preparing for this match process. You need to make sure that you have good information on your websites or ways to provide the information to your applicants so that you can meet this complete, timely and accurate information requirement. But it's also true on the applicant side. They are required to provide you complete, timely and accurate information on their applications. So if anything changes, even during the application season, they have a professionalism problem or some sort of issue with credentialing. Those are all things that they are required to also update the program on. Anything that would be material to a program placing an applicant on a rank order list is something that the applicant is required to disclose to the program. So those complete, timely and accurate information rules are on both sides. The other piece, because, of course, there is a power differential between programs and applicants, there are restrictions on persuasion. They do go both ways for applicants and programs. But specifically, program staff are prohibited from requesting that applicants reveal ranking preferences or the names, specialties, geographic locations or other identifying information about programs to which they have or may apply. So we really, really encourage programs to focus on whether or not an applicant is a good fit with the program versus where else they may be applying. Limiting questions about other programs protects and respects an applicant's right to privacy and minimizes some of that undue and unwarranted pressure. So we really encourage programs to submit rank order lists based on an applicant's credentials and goodness of fit for the program rather than, frankly, the likelihood of the applicant ranking the program. So that's really what those questions tend to be about. We encourage you to focus on your preferences rather than what you think the applicant is going to do and how you might judge that. So programs can still ask applicants about any information, their applications, including why the applicant prefers the program or is interested in interventional cardiology. And programs can and applicants can volunteer information if they choose, but you can't ask. And same thing on the applicant side. Applicants cannot ask programs if you intend to rank them or how interested you are in them. So you both can disclose. You can say to an applicant, I think you're fantastic. I really want you here. I'm even going to rank you highly. You can say that to an applicant, but you can't then ask the same thing to them. You can't say, are you going to rank me highly? Right. So, again, all of our rules go across the board to try and make a fair and equitable process for both programs and applicants. Last couple of things, there are some interview policies that have just gone into effect. This is probably more focused on main residency match where this is a bigger problem. But there was a lot of times where programs were extending interview offers that they would extend, you know, 100 interview offers to 150 applicants. And it was like the Hunger Games trying to get an interview. So we've kind of put the kibosh on that. So there are some policies around programs only extending the number of interview offers that equal and not exceed the total number of interview slots. So that is also in place at the fellowship level. You can have a waitlist, but you have to make transparent the process for waitlist candidates. You also have to provide no less than 48 hours to if you need to change an interview. So if you have to reschedule an interview and you have to allow applicants 48 hours to accept or reject your interview invitation. So there's no kind of first come first serve there anymore. Again, not a huge thing, usually for fellowship. And last but not least, we do know that life intervenes. And so there is a waiver process for the match commitment. But we will only look at waiver requests for unanticipated serious and extreme hardship. So on the program side, that would be program closure, loss of accreditation. On the applicant side, it would be applicant ineligibility, visa issues, serious health issues or concerns. So each waiver of the match commitment is viewed on an individual basis. There is no kind of blanket, oh, you have this issue, you get a waiver. They are all looked at by members of our board individually before a waiver is granted because the binding commitment really is what underpins the matching process. So that's match policy. And I wanted to spend, sorry, I spent a lot of time on that, but it really kind of helps give the full picture kind of of the match in terms of what it looks like for that match agreement and kind of what makes the match work. There are a couple of frequently asked questions, and we can probably get into this into the chat. But the one I get the most is, can I use the match if I have an internal applicant? And the answer is yes, but there's an asterisk next to it. You can participate in the match, even if you have an internal applicant, and we would encourage you to do so. So as long as the program ranks the applicant first and the applicant ranks the program first, that is a guaranteed match. And programs are free to tell an applicant that they intend to rank them first. They just can't ask the applicant about their ranking intentions. So we would encourage programs, even who have an internal applicant, to go through the match because it is a trainee-centric thing to do. It provides your internal applicant the opportunity to look outside your program, and so we would really encourage you to still, even if you have an internal applicant you really want to keep, to still put that position in the match. It's just the right thing to do for your trainee who may feel pressured to tell you that they want to stay but may still want the option to look outside of your program. Next question we often get is, what if my program doesn't fill? Programs who don't fill, I mentioned this earlier, will be placed on the unfilled programs list, and that will be made available at noon on match day to the applicants who didn't match. And then additionally, the unfilled programs will have direct access to a list of unmatched applicants, and you can reach out directly to each other. So that is what happens if your program doesn't fill. At that point, the NRP is out of it, other than providing those lists to both the applicants and the programs that didn't match. And last but not least, I talked a little bit about this in the policy section, what if your match applicant backs out of their match commitment before July? For applicants who don't intend to honor their match commitment, there is a waiver process. Applicants and programs are not authorized to release each other from the binding commitment, and waivers, as I mentioned earlier, can be requested. But if an applicant is backing out of their match commitment and doesn't qualify for a waiver, we will investigate them for a violation and waive the binding commitment on the program side so you can get out and begin recruiting for that position. So it is an unfortunate thing. It doesn't happen very often, but we do have policies and procedures in place to make sure that you get a waiver as a program very quickly and can go in and can go and recruit for that position. So last but not least, there is just going to be a ton of information for you about your programs and your specialty once you've got some matches under your belt. So we produce data reports that will help you as a specialty inform workforce planning. We provide applicants, program directors, medical education community in general, frankly, with valuable data about match outcomes, training preferences. So it will really help your specialty get a look at what your applicant pool looks like. And then last but certainly not least, as I mentioned earlier, we're going to have a ton of ways to kind of help you through this. We have lots of videos. We have step-by-step support guides that show every single step, click-by-click instructions of everything that you'll be doing in the R3 system. And then we also have some checklists that will help you through the process as well. So I gave you your kind of before you get registered checklist earlier. This is the once registration opens checklist. So there's a QR code there for that as well. So sorry, I talked a mile a minute, but I'm happy to answer any questions that you have and anything that came up in the chat. Sorry, I hope I didn't go too long. Hi, thank you. Just a quick question. So as I understand the process, the applicants will start their applications and complete them in July. Is that correct? That is correct. The application opens in July. But at that point, are they also registering for the match or do they have to wait till we get in in August to do that? The registration opens for both applicants and programs in August. And if we get the applications early, like in July, can we start interviewing them then and then worry about the match later? Correct, yeah. The NRMP doesn't set application timing. So everything will still come through ERAS from that side. We'll look at the applications. We'll wait for August so that everyone jumps into the match and then go through that process with that timeline that you sent. And it would be useful, I think. I know it's already I think it's already on the SC&I website. I can't remember. But if we get a copy or a truncated copy of your slides just to remind us, that would be really great. Yep. Happy to provide those. Thank you. Hi. So if a program has, say, four positions, then they can choose to put three in match and not one. What if the program only has one position? Are there any rules about that? Jeanette, do you want me to take a stab at it and then you can fill in the blanks? So I just want to thank everyone for coming here. If you can believe it, Dr. Helmy and I had the idea to try to get interventional cardiology in the match back in 2005-2006. We could not garner support at that juncture, but our specialty has become so mature. And with the number of programs and number of spots and with commitment from the SC&I leadership doctors, Rao and others, we were able to get SC&I behind us to make it work this time. And 81% of the programs did commit to joining the match when we did the SC&I effort. So I really appreciate everyone on this call that committed already. And I'm hoping that we'll even be beyond that 81% and that programs that didn't commit during our campaign will still join on. When we decided to join the match, we decided to go what is called there's all in and not all in. Interventional cardiology is not an all in specialty, which means you can participate in the match and not offer every spot in the match. However, we still need the 75% of programs and 75% of positions. And there are very few circumstances where a spot needs to be withheld from the match. So you've already heard from Jeanette that if you have some two-year spots and some one-year spots, you can have those as different tracks and people can rank them. So having different training durations should not keep you from that. I would say it'd be very unusual, but say you have one spot that's off cycle. Maybe it doesn't start till January and you don't know yet if you have funding for that spot. There may be some very unique circumstances where you withhold a position, but the majority of programs should be offering every spot they have in the match. If they're all similar, all one year starting in July, they should all be offered. So the main thing is you shouldn't reserve spots for internal candidates. Those can be guaranteed. If you rank that fellow to match and they rank you to match, it's a guaranteed match. So spots should not be withheld for internal candidates. If you have just one position, you should definitely participate in the match. And if you're historically have taken an internal fellow, again, you can tell that fellow you plan to rank them to match. You just cannot ask them what their rank preference is and you need to then open up your applications to other applicants. But I really think we were very conscientious about not becoming an all-in specialty because we understand there are some unusual circumstances or recruiting practices that go on in our fellowships. Fellows from abroad, fellows who may not meet the same credentials, fellows off cycle, fellows who have particular skills in research, etc. But the majority of programs are going to offer all spots in the match. So Jeanette, did you want to add anything on the all-in or not all-in? You know, we're not all-in, but. No, no, I mean, that's you said everything I would have said. So, yeah, I mean, keep in mind that it's it's the right thing to do for your trainees. I've had this question a lot over the past year about what to do about this. And I've tried to explain to people that if you rank your internal candidates number one, two and three, you have three spots. As long as they rank you, it's a match. It works. It's just that it's, you know, it does mean that you have to have an interview process. And maybe that's the logistical thing that if you have one person, you're one spot. If they want to stay and you want to keep them, then, you know. You start to have an interview process. What if for some reason they change their mind? That's the problem. That's the issue that I think that comes up. It's also unfair. It's also unfair to the other candidates then who will waste their time interviewing with you. If you kind of have an understanding with your internal candidate. So one has to be cognizant of that. That's why I asked the question. So we do intend to be in the match and I respect the ethos behind it. But I think it would be a farce to interview other kids when you want to, you know, you want to have your internal candidate. Yeah, I think it's the same as how you'd handle it for how you do it currently, which is you're not. You know, there's a high certainty that your internal candidate will stay, but there's a potential that something happens to that candidate. So you can make a decision that if you're fairly certain, because, again, most candidates that are going to interview outside your institution, you're going to be writing letters of recommendation. You're going to be reaching out to other programs. It's a small specialty. You're going to have some kind of knowledge of applying. So, you know, at our program at Brown, I we have Dr. Heider is our program director in our program. He's on the call. But historically, we know we have to interview four candidates for one spot. And we do that regardless of whether we have one internal candidate or four for our four spots. That's our norm. But you may say you're pretty certain. So you're only going to offer interviews to very few people. So you're not disappointing like armies of 30 people. You're talking about having a backup roster of maybe three people, you know, to cover your bases, which you're probably doing already. So I don't think it's going to change a lot of the interview practices, especially now with a lot of virtual interviews. But that's a decision your program has to make internally going from the current system to the match. Are you going to increase the number of applicants per spot you're going to interview because things are a little more uncertain for you now? One last question or a comment. I'm hoping that Sky will publish the results of the first match and sense how many programs and how many spots and how many were filled through the match or were put in the match. So I'll be keen to see if programs keep some positions out of match. I would be keen to see that. But Jeanette, is that publicly available information? Yeah, the NRP is going to directly report that on to be reported. Yeah. You will have a match results statistics report that will come out that will list the number of programs that participated, the number of positions that were in the match fill rate, the number of applicants, the type of applicants, how many matched to the specialty, how many matched outside of the specialty. So you'll have all of that information actually on match day. And then you'll have extensively more information in the February after the match year has concluded. But it won't have the information of how many positions were totally available, but only about how many were put in the match. Correct. But I assume you as your specialty know how many positions there are nationally. I mean, ACG me knows. So that was the question I had. I mean, on First Sky, we're certainly going to be tracking that. It is of interest to us. We do keep an active list of all program directors and we try to keep an accurate list of number of positions available. I mean, it's really hard sometimes to get that accurate, but we do try to keep that. So we do plan to keep on top of this because we want this to be successful for both programs and and applicants. So we should we're supposed to have a breakout group.

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